NEW FOUND PICTURES

[tmeag1]

I AM NEW TO THIS INFO. I JUST INHERITED MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER'S SCRAPBOOK. IT CONTAINS PHOTO'S OF WAR PLANES SOME WITH CREATIVE NAMES, SOME NOT. AMAZINGLY THESE PHOTOS HAVE SURVIVED MANY MOVES, A HOUSE FIRE AND 2 FLOODS. THE PICTURES ARE IN EXCELLENT SHAPE AND SHOULD BE SHARED WITH THOSE WHO CAN APPRECIATE THEM. THERE IS ALSO A PIC OF MAJOR BONG'S PLANE WHEN HIS JAP COUNT WAS ONLY 27!!
I ALSO HAVE GLIDER'S USED IN THE INVASION OF ATAIPE AND BIAK. 5TH AIR FORCE STRIP FIGHTERS,B-24,B-26, NAVY FLYING BOAT. TOO MANY TO LIST OR UNDERSTAND. CAN ANY ONE TELL ME WHERE THESE WOULD DO SOME GOOD OR WHERE I COULD SHARE THESE AMAZING PHOTOS?

[GregP]

Can you post some of these pics? :)

[Mark J]

Hi tmeag1

If your local aviation and or military museum won't take them, along with a 'potted history' of your great grandfathers war experiance... then think about putting the info and pictures into a small publication yourself or try approaching a magazine or even a historic writer/editor/publisher and get the photos into print for all to share. There would be a large audiance :)

cheers

[Lightning]

Hi tmeag1,

Welcome to our group!

I think Mark J has an excellent idea. I subscribe to "Air Classics" magazine, and they post photos sent in by readers all the time. I think that a whole collection such as yours would make for a great full-length magazine article. I know that I would be very interested in reading it.

If you do go that route, make sure you get your original photos back and that you get proper credit for them. A friend of mine was a B-24 radio operator who took a lot of pictures in the Aleutian Island bombing campaign against the Japanese home islands. A "friend" of his was writing a book on the subject and asked to "borrow" them. He never got them back.

Good luck, and keep us posted on your progress.

Regards,
Lightning

[Groggy]

quote:Originally posted by Lightning

Hi tmeag1,

Welcome to our group!

I think Mark J has an excellent idea. I subscribe to "Air Classics" magazine, and they post photos sent in by readers all the time. I think that a whole collection such as yours would make for a great full-length magazine article. I know that I would be very interested in reading it.

If you do go that route, make sure you get your original photos back and that you get proper credit for them. A friend of mine was a B-24 radio operator who took a lot of pictures in the Aleutian Island bombing campaign against the Japanese home islands. A "friend" of his was writing a book on the subject and asked to "borrow" them. He never got them back.

Good luck, and keep us posted on your progress.

Regards,
Lightning


Hi tmeag1,

Take note of Lightning’s advice, I would suggest send only copies, my father lent some very rare and historically important charts and other material to a very well known British Author and never got them back.
Just remember to treasure them and make sure that in sixty years time they are still being looked after. But in the mean time find some way of sharing them.
In the UK we have a big problem with censorship and spin in the context of our National Museums, I am sorry to say at least as bad as what happened in the Third Reich.
I just hope you can keep your material intact, good luck.

[Ricky]

quote:Originally posted by Groggy

In the UK we have a big problem with censorship and spin in the context of our National Museums, I am sorry to say at least as bad as what happened in the Third Reich.
I just hope you can keep your material intact, good luck.

Hi Groggy, I must admit I'm a bit puzzled by this comment.
Do you mean that our museums play up Britain's magnificence while degrading 'Johnny Foreigner'?

[Groggy]

quote:Originally posted by Ricky

quote:Originally posted by Groggy

In the UK we have a big problem with censorship and spin in the context of our National Museums, I am sorry to say at least as bad as what happened in the Third Reich.
I just hope you can keep your material intact, good luck.

Hi Groggy, I must admit I'm a bit puzzled by this comment.
Do you mean that our museums play up Britain's magnificence while degrading 'Johnny Foreigner'?


Hi,
No the exact opposite. The National Maritime Museum is the best example, of several thousand models available there is only one model of a Royal Navy Ship displayed to represent every thing that has happened since the time of Nelson.
Two years ago the Major display was about Tin Tin and taking up a whole gallery. This is the worst Museum that I have visited any were in the world at any time.
The Science Museum aeronautical gallery is as bad.
The Science Museum Space Gallery did make a dozen corrections to serious mistakes about British rocketry that they had made, then removed the lot with in six months!
The National Space Centre at Leicester is a disgrace. This is not only my opinion but that of the top British engineers , scientists who worked in the field.
If you can spare the time I am prepared to meet you or any one else in London and we compare what we think of the exhibitions.
Sorry folks you can tell that I feel very strongly about the subject.

[curmudgeon]

quote:Originally posted by Groggy

quote:Originally posted by Ricky

quote:Originally posted by Groggy

In the UK we have a big problem with censorship and spin in the context of our National Museums, I am sorry to say at least as bad as what happened in the Third Reich.
I just hope you can keep your material intact, good luck.

Hi Groggy, I must admit I'm a bit puzzled by this comment.
Do you mean that our museums play up Britain's magnificence while degrading 'Johnny Foreigner'?


Hi,
No the exact opposite. The National Maritime Museum is the best example, of several thousand models available there is only one model of a Royal Navy Ship displayed to represent every thing that has happened since the time of Nelson.
Two years ago the Major display was about Tin Tin and taking up a whole gallery. This is the worst Museum that I have visited any were in the world at any time.
The Science Museum aeronautical gallery is as bad.
The Science Museum Space Gallery did make a dozen corrections to serious mistakes about British rocketry that they had made, then removed the lot with in six months!
The National Space Centre at Leicester is a disgrace. This is not only my opinion but that of the top British engineers , scientists who worked in the field.
If you can spare the time I am prepared to meet you or any one else in London and we compare what we think of the exhibitions.
Sorry folks you can tell that I feel very strongly about the subject.



Next time I'm there Groggy!

The Imperial War Museum has shifted its Battle of Britain display from the official RAF line of 1941 (of which there are strong opinions - in war gaming 'big wings' has been the way for Britain to lose) to a near comic book level, with lots of hero worship of Douglas Bader (whose unit played no effective role) and little beyond a name on Dowding and nothing on Park ... or the Poles or the New Zealanders (the most numerous of the non-English contributors).

[Mark J]

Perhaps the new world order by Bush/Blair is slowly changing history to effect some future propaganda blitz [}:)]

[:o)][:o)][:o)]

Been awhile since I've been to the Imperial War Museum, I enjoyed the visit back in 1987

cheers

[Groggy]

quote:Originally posted by curmudgeon

quote:Originally posted by Groggy

quote:Originally posted by Ricky

quote:Originally posted by Groggy

In the UK we have a big problem with censorship and spin in the context of our National Museums, I am sorry to say at least as bad as what happened in the Third Reich.
I just hope you can keep your material intact, good luck.

Hi Groggy, I must admit I'm a bit puzzled by this comment.
Do you mean that our museums play up Britain's magnificence while degrading 'Johnny Foreigner'?


Hi,
No the exact opposite. The National Maritime Museum is the best example, of several thousand models available there is only one model of a Royal Navy Ship displayed to represent every thing that has happened since the time of Nelson.
Two years ago the Major display was about Tin Tin and taking up a whole gallery. This is the worst Museum that I have visited any were in the world at any time.
The Science Museum aeronautical gallery is as bad.
The Science Museum Space Gallery did make a dozen corrections to serious mistakes about British rocketry that they had made, then removed the lot with in six months!
The National Space Centre at Leicester is a disgrace. This is not only my opinion but that of the top British engineers , scientists who worked in the field.
If you can spare the time I am prepared to meet you or any one else in London and we compare what we think of the exhibitions.
Sorry folks you can tell that I feel very strongly about the subject.



Next time I'm there Groggy!

The Imperial War Museum has shifted its Battle of Britain display from the official RAF line of 1941 (of which there are strong opinions - in war gaming 'big wings' has been the way for Britain to lose) to a near comic book level, with lots of hero worship of Douglas Bader (whose unit played no effective role) and little beyond a name on Dowding and nothing on Park ... or the Poles or the New Zealanders (the most numerous of the non-English contributors).


Hi Curmudgeon,
I look forward to it, I am sure you will spot things that I have missed and make suggestions as to what should be included.
A museum should be as far as possible an honest and open record of the good and the bad, as well as the mistakes. The UK private air museums do a better job than the State ones that conform to a "New Age Agenda" your observations on the poles New Zealanders etc. are spot on.

Hi Mark,
Its got worse. The agenda in general started big time as far back as the fifties. There was a lot of First War material taken out of the Imperial war Museum. Whole galleries were removed from the National Maritime Museum.

Hi Folks,
Do you have any comments on Museums/displays in your localities?

[Mark J]

I havn't been to our local 'National Museum' lately. They Have a Spitfire and a Zero and a very good WWI, WWII display. Must get back and have a look.

Actually this isn't helping tmeag1 much [:p]

All the best if you choose to publish your material

cheers

[Groggy]

quote:Originally posted by Mark J

I havn't been to our local 'National Museum' lately. They Have a Spitfire and a Zero and a very good WWI, WWII display. Must get back and have a look.

Actually this isn't helping tmeag1 much [:p]

All the best if you choose to publish your material

cheers


Hi tmeag1

May I ask just how many photographs are there in the scrapbook? Did your great grand father ever talk about the events?
Did he keep a journal? Are the photographs in a historical sequence?
For your own understanding/interest I would suggest making a time-line of events plus maps. You can then add to or change it as you discover more about the events that surrounded your great-granddad’s live. It may take you some years, as a start could you post a small selection of pictures especially if they show squadron details or clues to location.

Good luck!

Hi MarkJ,

Yes, back on track.

[tmeag1]

THANKS TO ALL WHO REPLIED. YOUR IDEAS WERE GREAT. I NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THE WAR WITH PAP. I MET HIM IN HIS LAST YEAR, I SPENT EVERYDAY WITH HIM AND NEVER KNEW HE WAS IN THE WAR. I NEVER KNEW THE SCRAPBOOK EXSISTED UNTIL 2 YEARS AGO WHEN A FAMILY MEMBER GOT TIRED OF STORING IT. I FIND THE PICTURES AMAZING. THE PLANES ARE MOSTLY FIGHTERS-A WHOLE PAGE SHOWS THE NAMES AND PIN-UP GIRL PAINTING ON THE SIDE. I WAS NEVER VERY GOOD IN HISTORY SO NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THE NAMES AND DATES MAKE SENSE TO ME. THE IDEA FOR THE MAG. IS GREAT I WILL LOOK INTO THAT. AS FAR AS POSTING THESE ON THE SITE, I AM NOT SURE HOW BUT I WILL TRY. THANK YOU ALL-OUR VETS WOULD BE PROUD THAT MANY STILL KEEP THEIR HISTORY ALIVE.[:I]

[Mark J]

tmeag1, I think it is us who should be thankful, for sharing with us your family treasure. Of course, our thanks also to the vet's

cheers

[montanamotor]

Hi, tmeag1,

I am a magazine editor over here in Germany.

I can only agree to Lightning and Groggy: NEVER hand out the original photographs! They will dead-shure dissappeare in the mist. It's human, ya know. For editorial purposes some good, professional 1/1-copies of those pics will do a perfect job. You'll never see any archive hand out ANY of their pictures as originals. They KNOW, they would never see them back... Your pics, in fact, are as precious as Gold! And they will get ever more valuable over the coming years. If you could, you should really go and store them in an airconditioned private safe in a bank!

Why not try and find a professional author in the USA to compile all the pics and data - some maybe yet to be researched - to a complete book of it's own? See, usually, magazines don't pay well for the stuff they receive from privateers - if at all.

On the other hand: If you had a book on this topic READY, then excerpts from it might well still gladly be published by a magazine, yet, now with hind-sight towards the to-be-bought book about same topic "at your friendly bookstore, for 13,99 $ only! - Err: 33.99 $, of course!

I bet there is a lot of good specialized authors at hand in the USA, who would GLADLY go to work on this topic. Put a small private ad in a well-known aircraft-magazins personal columns (I am not referring to something politically incorrect, am I...? Sorry, I'm only german...) and see, what will happen.

Sad, I am too bad in english am too far away to be of assistance as an editor for you. But I am cincerely shure you will find a good way to handle those pics your Dad has left to you properly.

Cheers!

Montanamotor

(Hey! Why ain't there a "Thumps up!" Smiley availlable here on this website? Complaints to the Admins!) ;)

[Lightning]

Hi montanamotor,

Quoting you:
quote:I am a magazine editor over here in Germany.

From the quality and style of your postings, I had a feeling you were a professional writer. They are very well written.

Your command of the Enlish language is impressive, to say the least. I am an American living here in Germany, and if my German were half as good as your English, I would be ecstatic.

Regards,
Lightning

[montanamotor]

Hi, Lightning,

thank you very much for the roses. Well - if you had known my long-time english-teacher at school as close as I did, you may actually now be speaking german fluently, also. It's remakable, how motivating sheer fear can be... :D

Later, before I became a magazine's editor, I studied african languages at the University of Cologne. The teachers being native Africans, all our studies had to be conducted from English as basic language. No, I don't remember any african language now, really, as this was 20 years ago. But the english language still helps me a lot nowadays, and keeps opening new doors for me whereever I go. Visiting TGPlanes, for example...

Cheers!

Montanamotor