Hypothetic WWII airplanes

[Romantic Technofreak]

I would like to start a thread about airplanes that could have flown in WWII, but never did. Not eventual projects, just sprung from the fantasy long time after the war ended. The better if even photographs of them exist...! To give one a name, I call it:

Spielberg Sp-397

Yes, the flying wing from the Indiana Jones movie. Is anybody able to post a good picture of it?

[GregP]

How about the Henschel P.75?

http://www.luft46.com/aoart/aop75.html

It aws to have been a canard fighter powered by a DB 610 of 1641 kW. Projected speed was 760 kph, putting it right up there with the Do-335, the P-51H, the martin-Baker MB-5, and the Ca-15.

Project armament was 4 x 30 mm cannon!

Good thing for us it DIDN'T see production .. .assuming the flying qualities were good which, given the record of WWII canards, was not a very good bet!

[Corsarius]

Gotha Go229?

[Corsarius]

quote:Originally posted by GregP

How about the Henschel P.75?

http://www.luft46.com/aoart/aop75.html

It aws to have been a canard fighter powered by a DB 610 of 1641 kW. Projected speed was 760 kph, putting it right up there with the Do-335, the P-51H, the martin-Baker MB-5, and the Ca-15.

Project armament was 4 x 30 mm cannon!

Good thing for us it DIDN'T see production .. .assuming the flying qualities were good which, given the record of WWII canards, was not a very good bet!


This aircraft looks suspiciously like the Kawanishi Shinden.

[simon]

Slightly confused here, are we talking about some of the myriad "What if...?" aircraft that reached prototype or testing stage, but never attracted the interest or conviction to persue them, or the unlikely aircraft that crop up occasionally in film and TV?

If the latter, then I 'd have to nominate the Spitfire F.24 which appears on the cover of my video of the "Battle of Britain" film, a little something for the continuity people there...

Outside of that I'm sure any film or TV series including the words "Roswell" or "Area 51" will be sure to turn up some crackers!

[Romantic Technofreak]

Please people,

- no projects, this is another thread

- no Roswell, this is another forum.

Unlikely aircraft, yes Simon, it´s the thing!

Instead of letting others work for me, I was a littly busy myself.

There even is an Indiana Jones aircraft hangar:

www.indygear.com/props/planes.htm

where you additionally get an unknown German 2-seat fighter. And more you can get 4- or 5-engined versions of the flying wing together with an absolutely unknown jet fighter here:

www.indianajones.de/indy1/texte/making_of_05.php

A pity that in the aircraft hangar the flying wing lost its front cockpit, it can be shown in Brian Mulvey´s small-scaled diorama:

http://plmodels3.tripod.com/mulvey17.htm

What I would like to see is: There are so many games and models showing aircaft that never existed, but have the streamlined design characteristics of WWII, not the strut-and-wire monsters from before and not the jagged ones after.
It is another thing if the "Sp 397" would have ever been able to take off or come down again safely, I am sure that the Horten brothers went crazy if they ever had seen it (definitely NO Go 229 !!!!), one more thing is the unsatisfying shooting ankle for the tail turret.

[GregP]

There is a Humphrey Bogart movie called 'Chain Lightning." It starts in WWII and move on to the post-WWII era, and Mr. Bogart becomes a tets pilot for a new Jet called the JA-3 (there is also a development model called the JA-4).

Anyway, it is a very interesting jet because there is no jet air intake! Looks like a rocket plane, but has a jet engine.

There is also an annecdote about the movie. Seems they actually made a mockup of the plane out of wood. Pilot Paul Mantz was hired to do the "flying" and he insisted taht even though they were only going to taxi-test it, the mockup had to have full controls and must be balanced as if it were going to fly. The studio balked, but complied since no other pilots would take the job.

For the critical scene, the JA-3 was lined up on a runway and the rocket in the tail was ignited. As expected, Mr. Mantz began moving down the runway just like a real plane might do. Early rockets, being a bit experimental, were not erally well timed. The rocket burned longer than expected and, you guessed it, the mockuip JA-3 bcame airborne! Since Mr. Mantz had insisted on working controls and correct balance, he actually flew it down to a sfe landing.

The film was made near the end of WWII or right after it, has some great WWII B-17 clips in it, and the JA-3 might have been real ... except it would have needed an air intake, and jets donlt make a rocket-like exhaust.

[Romantic Technofreak]

I made another search because I digged out a game named "Crimson Skies" and I can give you the two following links. Sorry to say that the designs are often too rough and the pictures often too small.

http://members.fortunecity.com/phreke/cs/minisgallery.htm

http://my.homeip.net/abbe/crimsonskies/aircraft/woh/indexwoh.html

But I still hope there might a discussion rise about this. My favourite design here is the "McKinley Phalanx". And I further hope there might be somebody who knows even better links to games with more believable designs.

[simon]

I've given this one some thought.

At the moment I'm playing a somewhat unrealistic game in which I'm piloting a jet powered flying Challenger tank, but I guess this one probably doesn't count.

A couple of years ago there was a music video by a group called Garbage which involved a dogfight between two aircraft that looked like they were out of Mad-max or something. The male pilot's plane looked like the fuselage and cockpit of a P-40 attached to the wings and undercarriage of a Dewoitine D.510C. The Female pilot's plane was an unknown canard layout with twin pusher aircraft similar to one of the Miles experimental planes.

Sorry, that's the best I can do.

[Romantic Technofreak]

This one is really hypothetic:

http://www.luft46.com/dsart/ds500.html

But what about the American part in this pusher duel (happening over northern Labrador, early autumn 1946?):

http://www.luft46.com/jgart/jg329-8.jpg

[Romantic Technofreak]

I am not sure how much this topic is interesting to you, but I won´t like to keep this one from you, especially as it looks like an American promoted, German-Soviet-Swedish co-production of 1935-1944:

http://www.geocities.com/asymmetrics/bvzerst.htm

Also enjoy the other sites and the links!

[Corsarius]

quote:Originally posted by Romantic Technofreak
http://www.luft46.com/dsart/ds500.html

I had a funny vision in my head of early test versions of this aircraft. The aircraft went around and the blades stayed still. "Sawing the enemy aircraft"? I thought Luft46 was a bit better than that!

quote:But what about the American part in this pusher duel (happening over northern Labrador, early autumn 1946?):
http://www.luft46.com/jgart/jg329-8.jpg


Pretty good pic. The american fighters look like havocs with their engines on backwards, but the German fighters? What the heck? They look like the bastard step-children between a Me-163 and a Mosqito bomber!

[Romantic Technofreak]

Bastard? Step-Child? Are we sure to know everything that happens in a dark hangar on a German test site like Rechlin when a Me 163 and a captured Mosquito stand close to each other?[8D][:X][^]
In fact, what you recall is the construction style of Alexander Lippisch, who invented both the Me 163 and the Me 329.

The Me 329 was not a hypothetic airplane but a real project with at least a mock-up was built (pictures in the link):

http://www.europa1939.com/luftwaffe/proyectos/me329.html

Although expecting to be a lot faster than the competing Me 210, the Me 329 was given up as "too costly".

[andyo2000]

I guess Lippisch must not have had enough time to complete his designs. Look at the picture again; the bombs look like they are about to hit the blades, or at least miss them by a very small distance.