Sqn/Ldr Edward Fredick Tyler

[Mary]

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Sqd/Ldr Edward Fredick Tyler WW2 He flew in Lancaster. No 9 Squardon I think.
Shot down over Kiel approx May 43 while laying mines.
His brother is here with me a Air/Cmd Philip Tyler OBE retired.(85) He is interested in knowing if anyone knows history of his brother
Does anyone have any information on him?
Thanks.
Mary Laver

[simon]

The information I have been able to find is sparse at best, but this is what I have, I hope it's useful to you in some way:

Name: TYLER, EDWARD FREDERICK
Initials: E F Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Squadron Leader (Pilot)
Regiment: Royal Air Force Unit Text: 12 Sqdn.
Age: 33
Date of Death: 29/04/1943
Service No: 70691
Additional information: Son of Hugh Griffin Tyler, and of Muriel Tyler, of Trelleck, Monmouthshire; husband of Joan Tyler. B.A. (Oxon.).
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: 8. B. 37. Cemetery: BERLIN 1939-1945 WAR CEMETERY

Details for the cemetary if these are useful to you are:

Cemetery: BERLIN 1939-1945 WAR CEMETERY
Country: Germany
Locality: Berlin, Berlin
Visiting Information: Wheelchair access to site possible, but may be by an alternative entrance. For further information regarding wheelchair access, please contact our Enquiries Section on telephone number 01628 507200.
Location Information: The Cemetery is in the district of Charlottenburg, 8 kilometres west of the city centre, on the south side of the Heerstrasse. From Theodor Heuss Platz in the district of Charlottenburg, near the exhibition hall complex and next to the Olympic Stadium, follow signs for Spandau, proceeding along the Heerstrasse. The Cemetery lies on the Heerstrasse on the left hand side of the road and 3 kilometres from Theodor Heuss Platz. Visitors should drive beyond the cemetery to the traffic lights, then turn left directly onto a small one way street running parallel to the Heerstrasse. The Cemetery entrance is on this small one way road.
Historical Information: The site of Berlin 1939-45 War Cemetery was selected by the British Occupation Authorities and Commission officials jointly in 1945, soon after hostilities ceased. Graves were brought to the cemetery from the Berlin area and from eastern Germany*. The great majority of those buried here, approximately 80 per cent of the total, were airmen who were lost in the air raids over Berlin and the towns in eastern Germany. The remainder were men who died as prisoners of war, some of them in the forced march into Germany from camps in Poland, in front of the advancing Russians. The cemetery contains 3,582 Commonwealth burials of the Second World War, 392 of them unidentified. In addition, there are 266 post war graves of men of the British Occupation Forces or their dependants, or of members of the Control Commission. * Leipzig, Konigsberg, Iena, Dresden, Halle, Rostock, Teltow, Wismar, Mittenwalde, Neuburzdorf, Magdeburg, Grunberg, Doberitz, Buchholz, Halberstadt, Blankenburg, Gotha, Tannenburg, Potsdam, Weder, Tessau, Stralsund, Schweren, Munsdorf, Brandenburg and Schonwalde.
No. of Identified Casualties: 3461

http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/results.aspx?surname=tyler&initials=E%20f&war=0&yearfrom=1943&yearto=1943&force=Air

I hope the above link helps, the information all came from the commonwelath war graves commission website (www.cwgc.org).

12 Squadron RAF still exists, so it may be worth contacting the RAF or MoD directly, they may be able to provide more information.

Good Luck,

Simon.

[Corsarius]

Blow me down, Simon. You have nearly twice what I got! I was trying to go through the squadron channels, and failing!

[Mary]

Squd/Ldr Edward Fedrick Tyley
I cannot belive this.
You may have found him and I am shaking.
What a Critistams present for his brother.
Will keep you all fully informed and I love you all.
Happy holiday.
Mary Laver
Newcastle upon Tyne
[b]PS. His brother says it is him. What can I say..i only wish I could find a picture of the grave, but we cannot have every thing. You have found his brother... b]:)
Now can we find Fedrick's son. He lives, we think, in Tasminia

[Corsarius]

My neck of the woods. Give or take a few thousand kilometers, not so far in Australia. I'll have a look and see what the apple isle government has to say, but we might hit some problems with privacy.

Any idea where in Tassie?

[Mary]

I am still in a state of shock.
His son is still alive, we think.
Living Tasmania
If anyone can find him, you will.
I have tried to send an email to the university to see if anyone knows the name.
Happy holiday.
Mary
I still cannot believe what you chaps have achivied..........

[Paolo Tagliaferri]

Merry Christmas :D

[Mary]

Squd/Ldr Edward Fedrick Tyler.[:X]
My dear friends,

What can I say. I am so proud of what you did and I still feel chocker. I do not know who you are, but I do know what you are, your are the true meaning of Chrismas. You took on a stranger and helpted her, you are true mates

I wish you could have seen Philip's face, (brother of the above) yesterday, as we, gave him his brother back. I say, gave him his brother back, because in a strange way, that is effectivaly what you chaps did, you gave him his brother back in the details you gave me.

The certificate from the WSG I framed and put all the details you sent in the back of the frame. I also gave hime copies to read through. All the memories of his brother started to come back to him. he even remembered that he was burried in Berlin. Something he had forgotten. I sence a change in him, the man became, would straight and upright make sence to you? The pride for his brother shon through as he stared to reminmis and talk about him. I wonder if he has any photgraphs of both or either of them, I can post to you. Leave me with that one..

Philip is not senial, a bit forgetful for an AC, maybe, and his brain and body are still quite active for an 86 year old. It was wonderful to listen as he spoke about his brother's history as he did. and his own, come to think about it, Philip was in lagistics, have I spelt that right? I must find out more. I was in the Royal Air Foece, note the full tital not RAF. in 1966 and have my own interest in RAF history, that is why I feel it ment a lot to me to find this chap.

Philip now remembers that Georges wife and son are still alive and has their address. one thing, it is George with the BA not his wife....Not that that is important

Well chaps,I could ramble on and I am only 56, but you know us women!
That is the end of that part of the story, but what about the crew I seem to be drawn to this story. any ideas.

Anyone know anyone who was in 'B'flight, at RAF Spitalgate, November 1966? Yep, that was me. My service no L2845657. almost forgot it...

Happy New Year.
Mary Laver.
Newcastle upon Tyne.

[Mary]

One thing I forgot to tell you all.
I had managed to download the RAF Martch Pass played by the RAF band and I had this playing while Philip received the detail you sent him.
Nice final touch I think.
That really is all on this subject unless you know better!.
I really wish you guys could have been here.[:X]
Mary Laver

[simon]

Happy to be able to help...[:I]

Happy New Year.

[Peter Garwood]

S/Ldr Edward Fredrick Tyler.
I am currently researching the above as part of an enormous book about the war dead of the parishes of Trellech,Catbrook,Penalt,Whitebrook,Redbrook, Llanishen in Wales. This is what I can tell you:
Squadron Leader (Pilot) 70691 Edward Frederick Tyler
He came from well connected Monmouthshire families:
His grandparents were: George Griffin Tyler and Mary Octavia Rolls. He was the son of Hugh Griffin Tyler (B.1881 Monmouth, d. 3rd May 1953 Trelleck)) and Muriel Tyler (nee Barnes b.Exeter 3rd May 1882 d. Trelleck 19th February 1976),
who were married on 18 April 1907 at St. Stephen's Church, Kensington, London, England. His father had been a Captain in the 3rd Monmouthshire Battalion in the First World War and lived at Cleddon House. His father is listed as the Peoples Warden of Trellech Church from 1913 up to 1923 returning in 1942 to 1947.
He was born in the second quarter of 1910 at Honiton, Devon (1). He had five brothers: John, Philip Griffin, Hugh William, and Arthur Catchmay. (1) He was the husband of Joan Tyler B.A. (Oxon).(2)He joined the Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve and was promoted from a Flying Officer to a Flight Lieutenant with effect from 18th September 1940.(3) His next promotion was to Squadron Leader (tempy) with effect from 1st September 1942 and seniority from 1st June 1942.(4)
He was serving with 12 Squadron RAF when he was killed in action over Germany 29/04/1943 Age 33.(5) He is buried in the Berlin War Cemetery. (2)
References:
1. Births, Deaths Marriages Index
2. Commonwealth War Graves Commission
3. Gazette 34970 15th October 1940 p 6023
4. Gazette 35725 29th September 1942 p 4258
5. Operational Record Book 12 Squadron**
I have had great trouble finding the ORB for 12 squadron at the National Archives, simply because the month of May is missing!!I quote it above but only because of information given to me verbally.I am keen to find out the exact circumstances of the mission on which he died
This research has taken me over 5 years in total.If anyone can help with further information I would love to know. is his brother still alive at all? There is a plaque in Trellech Church with E F Tylers name on it. Thank you Peter Garwood

[GregP]

I belirve our friend and fellow poster Wusak lives in Tasmania.

I'll post a call for Wuzak. :)

[Wuzak]

I do live in Tasmania.

What is the son's given name(s)?

[Wuzak]

There are 29 Tylers listed in the Tasmanian phone book. This does not account for unlisted numbers, of course.

[Wuzak]

Just noticed that these details were found in 2003. Just wondering if Mary has been able to contact Tyler's son during the intervening time.

[Peter Garwood]

The update is this: With help from the NA in Kew we managed to locate the ORB for 12 Squadron. Puzzling there was no mention of Tyler for 1943. I note his burial ground does have some POW who died in captivity. I am now wondering if he might have been captured on a earlier mission and died later in 1943................any views?

I am desperate to contact any of the Tyler family who might be able to help.

Peter

[Peter Garwood]

It is with much gratitude that I thank the The RAF Wickenby Memorial Collection for being able to answer my query on this man and I have put the reply below. They confirm that the ORB are missing for the month of April but from diaries they have they were able to give the explanation as to what happened to him and his crew.

It is not known at present as to what operations and squadrons he flew on prior to April 1943. He was serving with 12 Squadron RAF when he was killed in action on 29/04/1943 Age 33.
The details taken from the station diary at Wickenby for that date are as follows:

“Operations. 10 Lancasters were detailed for minelaying off GDYNIA POLAND.

Only 1 aircraft reached the primary area and 3 reached the alternative area.

Weather: En route. Variable cloud, Some static.

Target: Thin scattered cloud.

Load. 5 A/C carried 6 mines. 5 A/C carried 4 mines.

Opposition. Some night fighter activity.

Assessment of attack. Mines laid.

Abortive. 2 aircraft.

Reported missing: 12/D LX313
Crash site. Kritzmow. 5 km-- South West of Rostock. 54.03N/12.4E.


Pilot S/L Edward Frederick Tyler Killed 70692
Nav. Sgt.F.Grant Killed 1474209
W.T Sgt.Norman Ernest Lind Killed 1386011
B. A. F/O Wiliam James Dowdell Killed 132025
Eng. Sgt,Kenneth William Jury Killed 1260533
M.U.G. Sgt.Ronald Edward Haywood Killed 905022
R. G. Sgt. Henry Wilford Killed 935454

A very bad night for 12 Squadron, also lost were:

12/A ED408 - Pilot Sgt G Elsworth & crew
12/J ED325 - Pilot P/O L W G Head & crew
AS/V W4954 - F/L Ashton & crew

12/O - Pilot F/S C O A Lawrence was attacked by Ju88, the aircraft was damaged and crash landed at Colteshall, all survived but the rear & mid upper gunners received multiple cannon shell wounds and were admitted to hospital.
Sqdn/L Tyler did not take part in any operations from Wickenby prior to April 1943 although it is possible that he flew earlier in April 1943 but as the Operational Record Books for the month of April are missing it is uncertain.
All the crew along with S/L E.F. Tyler are buried in the Berlin 1939/45 Ward Cemetery.

[ttyler]

I wanted to thank everyone for their efforts, my name is Tomos Tyler, grandson of Edward F Tyler.

Recently a cousin of mine visited his gave in Berlin, the first of our family to do this. It was not until recently that I was aware of his burial in Germany.

Oddly enough while in Australia I have always had a moments silence for my grand father on ANZAC day. How strange that he died so close to the 25th of April.

His Eldest son, my father, is still alive and lives in Hong Kong. Other grandchildren live in Tasmania, New South Wales and Queensland.

Joan Tyler (dec) re-married to WngCmdr John Grey (dec) and had two boys. Peter and Roger.